in the case of libya, for example, the tragedy with ambassad ambassador stevens notwithstanding no american troops died in libya when we moved in to help remove "the dictator" gadhafi. >> without congressional approval i might add. >> if romney wants an argument about the need for a weaker executive, he's permitted to do so. i don't think that's playing where he wants to play. i think that, you know, where obama can be criticized is certainly on libya in terms of the attack on libya and benghazi. i was in libya for a month this summer, including a week in benghazi and the problem in libya is there's no sfablt there at all. there's no police force. there's nothing to prevent someone from an attack on any government facility. the obama administration should have known. they should have had more security there, and he's very vulnerable in that regard. whether or not it matters to voters pondering pocketbook issues remains to be seen, though. >> i'm thinking back a few weeks to the run-up to the first debate in denver. we heard a lot of voices saying, don't get too excited. debates don't matter